Such a shame that the Sac crew has seemingly disbanded. This was easily the best regional group on the board per capita. But it seems that there are some personal feuds that has spoiled the broth. Very disappointing. Everyone will be missed.

Could not agree more.

And I found that out after becoming VIP

Hey l4mp, you could start the 2nd generation Sac crew. Welcome aboard.

Hey, I might be a lot younger , but I'm not sure about filling in those shoes.
Looks like there's still a lot of guys here who can still contribute.
It's a team work, right?

Maybe it's allergies, been bad this spring. I also hope things get back to somewhat normal again. Those guys always had some good stuff.

If you guys were out in Minnesota or some snowy place, I could say that the winter is too long blah blah blah but your biggest problems are you have too many AMPs, not enough time or $$$, etc. I agree with Stroker and the others..you guys brought a lot to this site and I'll miss what you give back to all of us. Can't you all go get a good massage with whatever HJ (hand jobs), BJ (blowjobs) and FS (full service). There may be limits on how much service management will allow.">extras you like and relax!

WTF? Why this so big?

I'm pretty much disgusted with the whole scene.

Its about integrity.

The wall of anonymity everyone enjoys on this site - in my opinion - does not exclude you from possessing some of it yourself. Nor does it grant you the right to impune the integrity of others - as has been done to me.

I've been on this site 3 years. Not a long time in relation to some people. Not a long time in the hobby as a whole in relation to some people. But I have 63 reviews and over 350 forum posts. I have been active and involved. I have done my part and I have done it with integrity. I challenge any one of you - to go find any one of those 62 reviews - and tell me my information was flawed, or worse yet - untrue. I was always forthcoming and true as much as I could be - even inflecting humor and light-hearted expressions of my visit. The reviews I posted were always complete and gave you everything you needed to know about that particular visit.

I contributed, both in private and in the public forums. If someone asked me a question and I could provide the answer - I did it willingly and I did it often.

Of course - discretion is the other side of the integrity coin. If someone asked me to keep something private - or if a provider knew about this site - or read the reviews and made it a point to ask me to keep silent about certain things - I did it. There is no rule - written or un-written - that says I should break the confidence of a friend or provider. I haven't - and I still won't. That extends to me sharing information, and asking someone else to be discreet. It goes with the territory. Integrity and discretion go hand in hand - you cant define one without utilizing the other.

The fact that one solitary person - can log in to this forum and put forth something he heard from a provider - and claim it as gospel against someone like myself, who has contributed to no end - is ridiculous. The fact that this particular poster has been around here longer than me - seems to make it OK in the eyes of others. Maybe - but not in mine. Maybe I cant stop it from happening - but I can certainly decide that the integrity level of others doesn't warrant my continued participation. Hell - I know of 40 or 50 places in this town I can go and get what I crave. I dont "need" to participate. But I did because I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the banter and I enjoyed the camaraderie.

Well - all thats gone. The speed with which everyone else jumped on the bandwagon - calling me names, and saying I should be "outed" (for something I didnt do, mind you) - is also ridiculous.

The fact that this particular person has a long and rich history on here - longer than me - seems to over-rule the integrity that I believe I have provided to both the vocal majority here - as well as the vast amount of you who have used what I gave you - and given nothing in return.

I think the worst thing about all this - in my opinion - is the reactions, or lack of them - by people long considered "friends". I have been told I am to blame for this sudden rash of inactivity in the local scene... somehow its MY fault - sitting here minding my own business - that someone decided to lambast me with lies - told to him by some chick (who just got fired, no less) - what kind of things do YOU think she's gonna say? I'm the bad guy - for not letting it go. I'm the bad guy for defending myself. Your fuckin' right I'm gonna defend myself - to an extent... and then I'm done with it. because I dont care anymore. I dont care what people say. i dont care what people think they know. I dont care if certain people who claimed to be my friend - now say that they just want the fun to return - and its my fault its gone.

If dude would have come to me - instead of posting some obscure forum post that could only be me or one other person - I would have told him the truth. Was I around the situation? I absolutely was. Was I involved in the decision to let her go? No I was not. The people involved in that situation - they did their own research - they asked their own questions - and they came to their own conclusions. I watched it unfold - but contrary to what was said - it wasnt the information he may have said to me in any private message - that led to the end result.

But I dont even care about that situation anymore.... its too bad that it came to this - but Im not at fault - and I refuse to take the blame for anything that happened - or will happen - as a result of that initial post. The fact is people will take sides - people will believe what they want - and people will lie. Its that simple. People will turn their back on you in the interest of "the fun returning" - no matter what the cost to anyones reputation or integrity.

Its true - its sad that one person can bring down an entire community of people. But I'm not that person. And I just dont care anymore.

Hey Grabbie,

I think you need to go on a roadtrip..not because you're lacking in AMPs in your area obviously..quite the opposite . Just go visit your buds, both old and new..we'll set you up..Vegas..Utah..Colorado..Kansas..Minnesota of course to see V..you've got a lot of support out there..come visit us!

OTB

You are cool in my book Grabs. You have given me tips before and I am very appreciative, and no, I would never divulge any info that you give me to another provider or poster. I hope you continue to contribute because I love your reviews.

HA!! Im waiting for Violet to come see me!

Thanks Stroker - I appreciate the sentiment. Mutual respect for you and your comments - especially your humor.

bottom line, i told you something in private and you opened your big mouth to a girl in a AMP. it was one of my favorite places to go, now I cant go there. You impuned your own integrity Grabster.

I'm not going to take sides guys, and will keep my opinions (if any) to myself.
Both of you made your own points publicly, so let's just leave it at that.

I've been reading past reviews and comments, and noticed you guys contributed a lot to this site (especially to our locality), which poor guys like me think they're valuable.
You can continue to dislike each other if you want (though the optimist in me thinks otherwise), but do continue to participate to make this a fun place again.

All of this could have been aired out via PM's and without all the public display of venom. You are both right and both a little wrong but private settlement would have been the best bet. I have formed many relationships on this site and have always regard both Kal and Grabs as very positive and informative participants and with a lot of humor as dessert. Hope you two kiss and make up. Not the same without your byplay. After the crap we go through here in Vegas it was always relaxing to view the haps in the Sac area.

I just want to say bros before hoes. That is all.

This is all just really silly! I stopped posting regularly because a provider was lurking and posting under an alias. I felt like I was no longer anonymous. Anonymity is key, and if that isn't protected, then the hobby could quickly become more hassle than fun! It seems to me if you post, or confide with other members, then whatever is said should stay there. Good or bad, whatever is said should be kept in confidence. Ultimately, every AMP is a business and we are their customers. Our posts benefit the good and help to eliminate the bad. Regardless, according to Darwin, the fittest will survive, so eventually our favorites will resurface stronger than ever! We are all adults and should experience our own lives for ourselves, but if you are going to share, expect it to bite you in the butt at some point...intentional or not.

Looks like in my long absence I've missed all the scuttlebutt. I wish I knew the details just to see what all the fuss is about.

I know that I have chosen not to comment on here for some time just because I felt I did not contribute to anything new and unknown, in fact sometimes I go somewhere new and it's all the same.

As a whole I have never been one to pass judgement on another based on what I've heard from someone else.I feel that I should make my opinions based on my own experience.

May it all get worked out.